Comments on: Narodick v. Elections Council - Delayed http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/ News and Observations about the University of California, Berkeley. Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:26:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: observer http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6753 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:37:22 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6753 Beetle doesn't act. He just bitches. He's the guy who observes a war from a far away safe distance, and when the battle is done, he comes down and shoots the wounded. Talk, not action. That's the Beetle way. Beetle doesn’t act.
He just bitches.

He’s the guy who observes a war from a far away safe distance, and when the battle is done, he comes down and shoots the wounded.

Talk, not action. That’s the Beetle way.

]]> by: captain duh http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6741 Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:18:15 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6741 Mike is a pompous blowhard but he's almost always right. That doesn't help his pompous blowhardery. I remember it being like he said. Lots of the temp workers were old women, that might confuse you. Mike is a pompous blowhard but he’s almost always right. That doesn’t help his pompous blowhardery. I remember it being like he said. Lots of the temp workers were old women, that might confuse you.

]]> by: anonymous http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6740 Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:43:49 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6740 Mike, I think you're misremembering some of the details from 2003. I believe that the League reps were at the polls, even after the election was rescheduled. The problem was with the student pollworkers. Many of them could not rearrange their schedules to accomodate the new election dates. The temp workers replaced them, not League observers. Mike, I think you’re misremembering some of the details from 2003.

I believe that the League reps were at the polls, even after the election was rescheduled. The problem was with the student pollworkers. Many of them could not rearrange their schedules to accomodate the new election dates. The temp workers replaced them, not League observers.

]]> by: Anonymity http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6739 Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:12:44 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6739 One party is made up of racists and the other party is made up of douchebags. It's a sad day when I would gladly cast my vote for the racists. But I think Student Action is needs to have the mess beaten out of them in this lawsuit. One party is made up of racists and the other party is made up of douchebags. It’s a sad day when I would gladly cast my vote for the racists. But I think Student Action is needs to have the mess beaten out of them in this lawsuit.

]]> by: Kevin! http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6738 Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:19:43 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6738 I didn't say that any Coups were a BAD thing. I didn’t say that any Coups were a BAD thing.

]]> by: Mike Davis http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6737 Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:02:37 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6737 Granted I never sat on the Election Council, but I did work with the League for 4 years, arguably 5, and observed their relationship with the elections council and I never found them to be anything more than an expensive waste of time. They were a pain to deal with, were absolutely inflexible and totally clueless when it came to the "high-tech" nature of the Association's elections. I can see how they were valuable when the Election's Council had to deal with 8,000 paper ballots and count them all by hand taking on average 3 days to process through all the piles. But in a day of databases and networks the League is little more than glorified babysitters, costing an order of magnitude more than the service they provide is worth. In 2003 when we had to push back voting by a week (if I'm remembering correctly, Calstuff said the Judicial Council executed a military coup of the Election Council), the League refused to participate because they couldn't handle the logistical inconvenience, so we also ordered them be replaced as NTP by temp workers from some local agency. They worked fabulously well, were available on demand, friendlier, cheaper AND provided employment to a local company and community. Granted I never sat on the Election Council, but I did work with the League for 4 years, arguably 5, and observed their relationship with the elections council and I never found them to be anything more than an expensive waste of time. They were a pain to deal with, were absolutely inflexible and totally clueless when it came to the “high-tech” nature of the Association’s elections. I can see how they were valuable when the Election’s Council had to deal with 8,000 paper ballots and count them all by hand taking on average 3 days to process through all the piles. But in a day of databases and networks the League is little more than glorified babysitters, costing an order of magnitude more than the service they provide is worth. In 2003 when we had to push back voting by a week (if I’m remembering correctly, Calstuff said the Judicial Council executed a military coup of the Election Council), the League refused to participate because they couldn’t handle the logistical inconvenience, so we also ordered them be replaced as NTP by temp workers from some local agency. They worked fabulously well, were available on demand, friendlier, cheaper AND provided employment to a local company and community.

]]> by: Beetle http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6733 Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:41:45 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6733 If anyone from the EC has something to say, they can say it. I'm throwing these things out there. I'm not going to act to save the elections, or to save the ASUC from its own incompetence. If someone <i>is</i> concerned with wasted money, they can go talk to the EC, but it's not my problem. If anyone from the EC has something to say, they can say it. I’m throwing these things out there. I’m not going to act to save the elections, or to save the ASUC from its own incompetence. If someone is concerned with wasted money, they can go talk to the EC, but it’s not my problem.

]]> by: Anonymous http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6731 Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:55:53 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6731 Just have Student Action people man the polls. Just have Student Action people man the polls.

]]> by: jlmay http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6730 Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:32:57 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6730 I think it could be argued that, were the ASUC to abolish on-campus polling locations that those students who did not have proper access to a computer would be disenfranchised. While its not that big of a deal in practicalities, I think that technically this is a legal roadblock in the way of a move to entirely online elections. I think it could be argued that, were the ASUC to abolish on-campus polling locations that those students who did not have proper access to a computer would be disenfranchised. While its not that big of a deal in practicalities, I think that technically this is a legal roadblock in the way of a move to entirely online elections.

]]> by: anonymous http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6728 Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:31:38 +0100 http://calstuff.blogsome.com/2006/06/08/narodick-v-elections-council-delayed/#comment-6728 But, Beetle, you didn't answer my question: Have you spoken to ASUC Elections officials who have actually worked with members of the League to find out if they believe the neutral third party is still necessary? If not, do you plan to? If not, why not? But, Beetle, you didn’t answer my question: Have you spoken to ASUC Elections officials who have actually worked with members of the League to find out if they believe the neutral third party is still necessary? If not, do you plan to? If not, why not?

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